Open letter to Steve Jobs: Thoughts on Flash
After I published an Open letter to Steve Jobs to comment his article on Flash, about the definition of Open Standards, I received a reply from him. Here's what he answered:
|From:||Steve Jobs <sjobSPAMs@apple.com>|
|To:||Hugo Roy <hugSPAMo@fsfe.org>|
|Subject:||Re: Open letter to Steve Jobs: Thoughts on Flash|
|Date:||Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:21:17 -0700|
All video codecs are covered by patents. A patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora and other "open source" codecs now. Unfortunately, just because something is open source, it doesn't mean or guarantee that it doesn't infringe on others patents. An open standard is different from being royalty free or open source.
Sent from my iPad
Steve Jobs is said to write his emails himself. Below is provided the source of the email for those who doubt its authenticity.
Return-Path: <sjobs at apple.com> X-Original-To: hugo at libertesnumeriques dot net Delivered-To: hugo at libertesnumeriques dot net Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.leoserveur dot org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6942C1A1 for <hugo at libertesnumeriques dot net>; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:30:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.leoserveur dot org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vCvg1SdYZVlV for <hugo at libertesnumeriques dot net>; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:30:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gadolin.fsfeurope dot org (mail.fsfeurope dot org [126.96.36.199]) by smtp.leoserveur dot org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C26A2C16C for <hugo at libertesnumeriques dot net>; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:30:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gadolin.fsfeurope dot org (Postfix) id 7EB1454C51E; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:30:19 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: roy at fsfeurope dot org Received: from cavendish.fsfeurope dot org (cavendish.fsfeurope dot org [188.8.131.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cavendish.fsfeurope dot org", Issuer "CAcert Class 3 Root" (verified OK)) by gadolin.fsfeurope dot org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650C754C51E for <roy at fsfeurope dot org>; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:30:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [184.108.40.206]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by cavendish.fsfeurope dot org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 680DA4F89F5 for <hugo at fsfe dot org>; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:29:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [220.127.116.11]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED4F908E129 for <hugo at fsfe dot org>; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7b33ae000001768-05-4bdad94c5a68 Received: from et.apple.com (et.apple.com [18.104.22.168]) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 27.AE.05992.C49DADB4; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:21:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Received: from [22.214.171.124] (wave-dhcp102.apple.com [126.96.36.199]) by et.apple.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0L1O00J82YFFS460@et.apple.com> for hugo at fsfe dot org; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <60FAA9B2-86CF-43BD-8D38-BB4DAD780039@apple.com> From: Steve Jobs <sjobs at apple.com> To: Hugo Roy <hugo at fsfe dot org> In-reply-to: <1272621947.12757.5.camel@totosh> Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B367) Subject: Re: Open letter to Steve Jobs: Thoughts on Flash Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:21:17 -0700 References: <1272621947.12757.5.camel@totosh> X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-Fellowship-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Fellowship-MailScanner-From: sjobs at apple.com X-Spam-Status: No, No X-FSFE-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-FSFE-MailScanner-From: sjobs at apple.com X-Evolution-Source: imap://hugo%40libertesnumeriques dot email@example.com dot org:993/ All video codecs are covered by patents. A patent pool is being = assembled to go after Theora and other "open source" codecs now. = Unfortunately, just because something is open source, it doesn't mean or = guarantee that it doesn't infringe on others patents. An open standard = is different from being royalty free or open source. Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2010, at 3:05 AM, Hugo Roy <hugo at fsfe dot org> wrote: >=20 > Dear Steve Jobs, >=20 > Having read your Thoughts on Flash, I could not agree with you more. > Flash is not the Web, and I am glad Apple seizes the opportunity of = open > standards to build better products for their customers. >=20 > But I am not so sure about your definition of the word Open in = general. > I will not argue here that it is ironic you find the Apple Store more > open than Flash. I will not complain either you like Openness so much > that when you use Open Source Software to build your Mac operating > system, you keep that openness for yourself and don=E2=80=99t give it = to your > customers, nor to the developers whose works have been very useful to > you. >=20 > I figured that writing an open letter was an appropriate way to remind > you of a couple of things that you may have forgotten =E2=80=94 maybe = in good > faith =E2=80=94 about open standards. >=20 > It is true that HTML5 is an emerging open standard, and I am glad that > you adopted it (well, did you really have the choice anyway?). However = I > have to say I am impressed in the way you succeed in saying how Apple > has been doing great with open standards against Flash=E2=80=A6 while = explaining > Flash videos is not a problem, because Apple has implemented another > video codec: H.264. >=20 > May I remind you that H.264 is not an open standard? This video codec = is > covered by patents, and =E2=80=9Cvendors and commercial users of = products which > make use of H.264/AVC are expected to pay patent licensing royalties = for > the patented technology=E2=80=9D (ref). This is why Mozilla Firefox = and Opera > have not adopted this video codec for their HTML5 implementation, and > decided to chose Theora as a sustainable and open alternative. >=20 > Free Software Foundation Europe have been raising consensus and > awareness on Open Standards for some years already. I am sure we would > be happy to help Apple make the good decision. So, to begin with, here > is the definition: >=20 > An Open Standard refers to a format or protocol that is >=20 > 1. subject to full public assessment and use without > constraints in a manner equally available to all > parties; > 2. without any components or extensions that have > dependencies on formats or protocols that do not meet > the definition of an Open Standard themselves; > 3. free from legal or technical clauses that limit its > utilisation by any party or in any business model; > 4. managed and further developed independently of any > single vendor in a process open to the equal > participation of competitors and third parties; > 5. available in multiple complete implementations by > competing vendors, or as a complete implementation > equally available to all parties. >=20 > Hugo Roy > April 2010 >=20 > http://blogs.fsfe dot org/hugo/2010/04/open-letter-to-steve-jobs/ >=20 > --=20 > Hugo Roy im: hugo at jabber.fsfe dot org=20 > French Coordinator http://www.fsfe dot org/about/roy=20 >=20 > Free Software Foundation Europe works to create general understanding > and support for software freedom in politics, law and = society-at-large. > For more information, see http://www.fsfe dot org